Have you ever felt that nagging sensation that something deeper was missing in your life, despite outward success? In this episode of the Enlightened Life podcast, I sit down with Bjorn Lestrude, a sound healer, storyteller, and founder of Blue Dragon Healing, who experienced just that.

Bjorn’s journey from the high-stakes world of sales to the realm of ancient wisdom and shamanic traditions is nothing short of extraordinary. His story is one of pain, awakening, transformation, and heritage – the foundational pillars of his Primal Path program.

What you’ll discover in this enlightening conversation:

1. How a pivotal moment with Bob Proctor’s teachings sparked Bjorn’s spiritual awakening

2. The transformative power of sound healing and its ability to facilitate emotional and spiritual breakthroughs

3. Bjorn’s life-changing experiences in the light portal of Tulum and with indigenous shamans

4. The importance of community in personal transformation

About our guest:

Bjorn Lestrude is a sound healer, storyteller, and founder of Blue Dragon Healing. His unique approach combines ancient wisdom with modern practices, helping individuals unlock their potential and find deeper meaning in their lives. Whether you’re at the beginning of your spiritual journey or looking to deepen your practice, this conversation offers valuable insights that might just spark a transformation in your own life.

KEY MOMENTS

00:03:59 Bjorn’s Turning Point: Bob Proctor’s Teachings

00:10:23 The Light Portal Experience in Tulum

00:15:34 Sound Healing and Spiritual Breakthroughs

00:20:20 The Primal Path Program: Pain, Awakening, Transformation, and Heritage

00:31:14 The Power of Community in Personal Growth

00:37:02 Bjorn’s Unique Approach to Spiritual Development

Join us for an inspiring conversation that explores the depths of personal transformation and the power of authentic self-expression.

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FULL UNEDITED TRANSCRIPT

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Welcome to the Enlightened Life podcast. I’m your host, Scott Allen. In this week’s episode, we welcome Bjorn Lestrude, a sound healer, storyteller and founder of Blue Dragon Healing. Bjorn’s journey began in the high stakes world of sales, where outward success masked an inner disconnect. Struggling with chronic health challenges and searching for something deeper, he embarked on a path of self discovery that led him to ancient wisdom, shamanic traditions and the transformative power of sound healing. From a pivotal awakening with Bob Proctor’s teachings to life changing experiences in the light portal of Tulum, Bjorn has embraced a journey through pain, awakening, transformation and heritage, foundational pillars of his Primal path program. Working with the shamans from the Hunikun, Yawanawa and Chipibo tribes, he has cultivated a profound understanding of emotional and spiritual healing. Today, Bjorn joins us to share his story, his insights, and perhaps even a taste of his unique sound healing. He brings a refreshing authenticity, unconcerned with appearances or promotions, but deeply invested in meaningful connection and the power of the present moment. Get ready for an enlightening conversation that just might spark a transformation in your own life. Let’s dive in. Hi, Bjorn, how are you? Welcome to the show. Glad to have you here. Finally. I feel like we’ve been around the tree a few times trying to get you here, so this is great. I’m glad we finally got it together. Together.

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Yeah. You know, you have a very soothing reading voice.

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Oh, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. We’ll see if it matches your soothing singing voice. We’ll see how that. As we get a little later on in the show. That’s awesome. You, you, your, your world, your, your journey, it began in the world of sales. What, what was it, what was the turning point for you that made you realize something deeper was missing in your own life?

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Well, I thought I had it kind of figured out in my life. I mean, I was making more money than I thought I would at that point. And I had found a craft which I was very talented and performed at a very high level in. I thought. Well, I just, I got all the answers and then something was nagging at me and I, I started to get into a. Bob Proctor studying it and he had this model. He used the sick person concept where you. He represents the human mind basically with the circle with the line across the middle and the top half is the conscious mind, bottom half the subconscious. And then another stick below the circle and a smaller circle below it representing the body. And he showed how when we’re really small, that the circle at the top is actually missing the. It’s not a complete circle. It’s not filled all the way. And so, as a very small being, when we’re little, we take in so many thoughts and energies from other people, and we don’t even realize it when it’s happening. And these things will stick with us our whole lives until we get, you know, come to terms with them, whether it’s through releasing it, transforming it, however. And so that was just totally new to me, that idea that I’d been programmed. And so the next day I went, I was in the office, sitting there, and I felt prompted to try this little exercise that I created for myself. And I wrote down three questions. Was, what’s my most painful memory? What am I most grateful for? And would I have number two if I didn’t experience number one? And so I thought of my most painful memory was a time in my past where I had been bullied and was just very uncomfortable time for me. And so I had this memory spinning over and over again in my mind. And then I looked at the second question. What am I most grateful for? And it had a lot to do with what I learned to do and how I had learned to express myself. And so then I realized, no, I probably wouldn’t have what I’m most grateful for if I hadn’t experienced the most painful memory. And so what I saw in my mind’s eye at that moment was that the little stick person with the missing top to the head flip upside down, and all of the thought forms start spilling out of the head. And simultaneously, as I. As I saw the energies leave that head, tears started just rolling down my face. And so then I went for a walk as it was the end of the workday. Got up, left, and I walked probably 20 blocks the wrong way. I just didn’t even notice. I was just in so much euphoria and release and catharticism. And it was kind of a little bit like the feeling of floating down the street and just felt so peaceful.

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Wow. Wow. You know, and I want to just ask you, too, before we get too far along into this. For those people who are listening and don’t know, who is Bob Proctor?

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He is one of the world’s most famous personal development teachers, or he was. Rest in peace. He died, I think, a couple years ago, probably around 90 years old, so. And yeah, and he’s got a lot of programs out there, and one of them that I did was called the Success Puzzle. And I was on the part on Paradigms, which was part four of that program, when these. These things started colliding. So I. I went through this experience and had this release, and it lasted a few hours anyways, the. The whole thing, at least the euphoric parts of it. So the next morning I went back to the office, and the moment I stepped inside the building, my stomach started to hurt, and it wouldn’t stop until I would leave the building.

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Wow.

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So just being in there was physically uncomfortable for me all of a sudden. But then also when I started doing my calls, I realized that I was feeling way more of the emotions from other people. So it. It was. And it was, you know, it was intense.

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Yeah. Yeah. And you had not experienced that before. That was just all starting to happen at that time. That was in 2010. Yeah. You. You talked about the light portal in Tulum and that that was a pivotal experience for you. What. What happened there that changed the trajectory of your life?

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Well, it’s weird because the. I would say that my light portal experience is a collection of experiences because it became a place that served as sort of an opening for me when I arrived in Mexico and I lived there for a year and a half. That caused me to explore a lot of different modalities. But the first experience, in and of itself, wasn’t that incredible. It just was just enough to create some curiosity. And it was partly my experience with it and partly observing the experience of a friend of mine who also went to the light portal and that we had talked about it and, you know, getting the juices flowing there. Because I eventually, a few months down the line, was invited to become a facilitator for the light portal. So I went from starting there to working there, you know, and so it was like a total cycle, and that eventually resigning from there, and that was another cycle, you know, energetically for me.

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Now, how did you find that? Was that a Bob Proctor thing also? Or how did you find out about the portal?

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No. Well, I had just been invited down. I was looking for a place to travel, and my friend was in Tulum and they invited me down to Tulum. They said, just come down Tulum. It’s a good place right now. And I wanted a. My particular interests were to find a place where I had fewer restrictions during COVID I was kind of sick of being confined space wise, and so I knew I could go there. And it was kind of known it had a reputation as being kind of a haven for that sort of thing. So for me, that’s was another reason to go. But it was the invitation, of course, that sure catalyzed it. And I had heard about Tulum for a while. Anyways, I went down there and he hurt his toe, my friend did. And the whole thing was black and blue. It will, you know, the nail was black, it was going to fall off. I saw him a couple days later after I’d seen his recently where his toe was black and he’s like, look at my toe. I look and his toe is normal colored. Like it was. It looked like nothing had ever happened to his toe.

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Wow.

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And so I said, well, how did this happen? You know? And he said he had gone to a ceremony called the Light Portal. And that was a result from the experience. So I’m like, well, what is that? And it was a. It was like a group ceremony of energy healing that used a number of different modalities and multiple facilitators, all combining the energy in a very impromptu, improvised type of a way where everything sort of flowed. So there were, you know, there was a woman from an ancient Muslim background, a man from Vietnam that had been studying different shamanic traditions for like 35 years. It was, it was a. An eclectic group and they would. So I, I decided to try the Light portal myself. So I went there and there were about 20 of us and we were lined up all around the outside of a room and there were about four or five facilitators and they, they had us go through different things. Like we did open mouth, strong breathing, and while we were doing these movement exercises, they called it biodynamic breath work. I’d never heard that term before. And then they had us lay down while continuing to do the strong breathing. And then the facilitators were going around, someone was drumming and someone was drumming and chanting. Someone was shaking maracas. And people were going around and doing physical touch body work for energy healing on the participants. And so when it was my turn, the person who came to me was Ina. She was the woman from this ancient Muslim tradition. And she had a very active third eye and sees a lot of stuff, like very active sight. So she started pushing and prodding and digging into my fascia and it hurt quite a bit. But I had this little release and when she stood up to go, I, I just started laughing and I couldn’t stop. I went. It went on for some minutes and it was like a different type of laughter than I Was used to a deeper, more knowing type of laugh coming really from, like, a very deep place. And so I didn’t have any major transformation in that event, but that was enough to make me curious to see what else I could explore.

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Sure. Now, you had some of your own health challenges that you’d been dealing with. Did any of that get healed while you were there? Or how do you feel that those. Those challenges played into your awakening?

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So one challenge, for example, that I had had was I had this pain in my knees going on two, three years, where anytime I would be sitting down after two, three minutes, I would have to straighten my legs out to relieve the stiffness that would be setting into my knees, both knees. And that had stayed with me, and it was still with me when I arrived in Tulum. So this is an example, one example of different issues I had. And after the light portal ceremony, I actually set up a private session with two of the facilitators from the light portal. That’s when things got interesting. They came to my apartment and we put a mattress on the floor. And so Jose and Ina, you know, was the same woman that worked on me at the light portal. So she worked on me physical work for about an hour and a half. I would say we’re talking painful stuff like you wouldn’t even imagine. And after she finished her part of the work, she told me what she had seen. And this was kind of the first time I’d really had anyone talking to me about ancestral energies and blockages and all this stuff was new to me. So she says, well, you know, on your mother’s side, there was sadness and fear, and on your father’s side, it was mainly anger and fear. And I saw you had this jaguar spirit guide and then another spirit guide that spooked her a little bit, which was a Native American shaman. Those were the guides that she saw when she worked on me. Of course, we all have. Well, most. Most of us have hundreds of them, so. But anyhow, she saw them very clearly. And so then the next part of the private session was to sort of. They called it, I think, meet your guides when it was a hape session. Are you familiar with that medicine?

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I’m not.

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I’m not so happy. Is otherwise known as shamanic snuff. It’s made in, primarily in the Amazon by indigenous medicine men. And it’s tobacco, largely tobacco based, but then they mix in other elements that have psychoactive properties, and then they do special prayers over it. It’s a very long, slow, painful or painstaking process to make it. But it’s commonly used in a lot of rituals and practices from the Amazonian people, but now also being starting to become more popular in the west and in the US for example, you can buy it online and have it shipped to you.

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Oh, wow.

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And so you, you, you take it in the nose through the breath. So you have a, you can either use a little tool that’s like a self serve applicator and then, or you have a longer tool called the tepe, which is what they had in this private session. And so one end goes in the nose of the recipient, the other person’s blowing the other end and it goes. So I had never even heard of HAPE before, not until I tried it. And I tried it and you know, he served and he gave me what was actually an extremely large dose, which I didn’t know what was a lot or what wasn’t. So he served me to hop. Hey. And I. It’s kind of burning. And I’m sitting there and you know, kind of dazed and so then Jose starts, he gets up and he walks behind me, he’s standing behind me and he starts shaking his maracas in my ears and. And I realized suddenly that with that noise in my ears that I wasn’t going to be able to rely on my mind to explain away what was happening that I, because I couldn’t think.

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Oh my God.

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And so he’s, he’s shaking the maracas in my ears and then he starts chanting. And that activates something in me where I, I started chanting and I couldn’t stop chanting. And then as I was chanting, I felt this incredibly heavy energy moving through me. And when the chant was done, I purged my guts out and was six the dog, you know, for hours, nauseous, and just lay it on the floor like. Oh my God, that was brutal. That was so brutal. I mean, I was so lightheaded and dizzy that I didn’t even want to roll over and climb onto the couch because I, the, the hard surface of the floor was actually soothing to me.

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Really? Do you feel that it did anything?

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Well, the next morning when I woke up, all the pain in my knees was gone and never came back.

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Wow. Really? Now had you been diagnosed with like whatever it is, knee issues or.

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I never once got saw anyone for it, but it bothered me every day for years.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wow. So, so you, you were, you were chanting. Is that how the sound healing sort of started to take hold on you at that moment?

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That was the very first, the very first opening of it. But it had a lot further to go, I’m sure.

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I’m sure that’s like the first. First break. So. So in your experience, how does sound healing facilitate, you know, either emotional, spiritual breakthroughs, right?

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Well, the power of it is that sound, when used a certain way, can hit us at every single level of our being. And part of the reason for that, at least intellectually, my understanding of it is that I’ll explain the tangible as well. But intellectually, sound is light. They’re the same thing, just different frequency. So sound is basically light, but in a form that the body can understand. So you give light to the body. Right. And our brains, like human beings, how we connect with each other and how we evolve and survive, all that stuff is tied into. In the very beginning, before we even learned to tell stories to each other, we used sound and, you know, very primal sounds. And so we can, with sound, explore energy to the deepest level of our own instincts and our own beliefs. It can permeate all. And even in a person who does, who doesn’t think that they know how to meditate, you don’t need to, because the sound just starts communicating with the body. The body understands it, and eventually it steals the mind away, which I would.

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Imagine, you know, if you know anything about, like the Monroe Institute, and they have their sound technology and their. The certain frequencies that they play that are supposed to put you into this meditative state, almost as if you had been doing it for years and years and years. It sort of like programs the brain to get you into a specific space. Is that similar, do you think? To what?

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In a way, it’s kind of like we move into theta brainwave state with doing that. And especially for a lot of people who maybe they tried meditating once or twice, and they just. It just didn’t make sense to them. And, yeah, that type of meditation just wasn’t for them. But they don’t realize, like, there are such incredible ways to experience spirit and self that are meditative. But go beyond traditional meditation. It’s a big passion of mine, like learning about the different expressions of other people. And everyone has their own special, unique expression. And that expression, while special, can deepen and deepen and deepen over time. It’s my own. Has deepened and evolved over time, I would imagine.

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And a lot of people feel like they can’t meditate. They don’t know how to meditate or they get distracted. And, I mean, I’ll be the first one to tell them, like, so don’t. I so, you know, I mean, I think that’s all, especially as you’re starting. You’re never going to be in this zone 100%. You just acknowledge it and pull it back in.

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Yeah. And so I use a little like personally, other than qigong, which is something I do every day and movement practice, you know, like that’s where for those who don’t know tai chi came from, qigong. But I usually do multiple things. I, I do maybe 20, 30 minutes of open mouth breathing and then I, I do, I listen to a lot of biofield tuning. I do my own chanting, I use tuning forks myself. It’s like I just lear to feed into the moment of what am I feeling right now? What would be the most delightful thing to do that would feel, you know, nurturing and enlivening to me right now? And then I just allow what’s going to pop into my head, you know?

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Yeah, yeah. The brain and your people, When I say your people, whether it’s family or the friends that you’ve had, how have they, have they, have they followed along or if they sort of thought, well, he sort of lost his mind, but we love him. I don’t know what, you know, you.

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Know, I was pretty careful when I first came back and I, I introduced everything kind of slowly, so it wasn’t anything. And nowadays too, spirituality itself is so much more widely accepted and growing, growing massively. I mean, there’s millions upon millions of people making all kinds of weird posts about spirituality on Instagram. So I think it’s a little bit less strange than if this would have been even, you know, 10 years ago.

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Yeah, yeah, I would, I would completely agree with that. I feel like the whole world, you know, there’s more and more people just having this experience awakening, which I think is so, so great. You created a program called Primal Path and it’s centered on pain, awakening, transformation and heritage. Can you maybe just walk us through those stages a little bit and what the significance is of them?

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So I used it this, I said it this way because it’s not a linear path. There is linear parts that exist within the macrocosm of the whole thing. But it’s a non linear thing because everything is on the quantum field really, rather than what we think of as time. So the reason I explained myself here, so my experience was going through awakening is first I had to see what my pain was and acknowledge it. And once I acknowledged it then and took ownership for it, the pain, the energy started to loosen up and began to move. And as that energy moved. It made space for insight awakening to come through. For example, that first experience I talked about with the Bob Proctor and the insight, right, My pain was also something positive. And then all of a sudden, it was no longer something that bothered me, that particular pain. So there’s that element of I saw, I felt the pain, I saw it from another perspective. I had the insight and a euphoric peak experience. Now having that had that peak experience, of course, what I wanted was to feel that again, to experience that again, right? But I didn’t know how. So it was like, oh, I had this massively awesome awakening kind of experience, but now I’m kind of back to not feeling as, you know, nearly as wonderful as that anymore. So what am I supposed to do? And so all I wanted to do was get back to that, right? And so for me, that going from a awakening to a transformation, I mean, that is the, the real hard part of the journey here is I needed to implement for myself a daily practice where I did something for myself every day that was, you know, spiritually spiritual and nurturing to bring myself back to myself. But it took me a long time to get to the point where I was actually willing to do that, even having had that first awakening. But cultivating practice only over time, I began to have more and more peak experiences. And experimenting and trying different things and listen and trying new modalities, of course, was a big part of that. But it brought like, I would not be as interested in trying a modality if I didn’t feel like I had a way to have my own practice where I can come back to myself after having those experiences and ground the energy and learn how to play with it and integrate it. So, like, transformation to me is integration. It’s taking this, making it more real for self, like a self actualizing through practice. And sometimes it takes an awakening to bring someone to be willing to establish a practice. Because it’s a lot easier for me to do the practice knowing that, you know, knowing what the end goal actually feels like, being able to tap into that energy a little bit. And then after transformation is heritage. And that’s all about, well, okay, great, you had this wonderful experience and what are you going to do with it? Are you just going to keep it to yourself? Because we’re not designed that way. We’re conductive beings, we’re physically conductive. We touch the ground, our bare skin, and the entire, you know, our body changes. And when we’re around each other, we absorb each other’s energy. It’s like, I know some people, they, like, they, they, they call, they, they think of themselves as sensitive. And I, I’m sensitive too, but that, oh, I can’t go to these places because I don’t want to take on the bad energy. And it’s like, you go to any place, you’re going to take on the energy you’re meant to, or we’re supposed to. Right? That’s how we work, you know, so it’s the most natural thing in the world to share what you learn. And that is also part of the transformation process. But it’s a next level of thinking beyond how am I going to make myself feel good? To what can I do to really, really bring this out and make it something that people can use? That’s a whole different train of thinking, whole different level of thinking that requires a vision and a look from above to see how these other pieces fit together. And it’s like, okay, so if I’m, for example, if I have an expression that I want to share, how am I going to do that? Well, maybe I have a small network of people who already know and trust me, but then I have to get out there and figure out how do I reach other people with this authentic expression, how do I get my message out there? And that starts getting into copywriting, personal branding, messaging. And people look at that stuff and they say, oh, sales, it’s a part of service. It’s just a matter of connecting what you’re doing with how it’s actually going to help people. That makes it from a drag to completely inspired work. You know, imagine that every time, you know, you signed a client you had, you could see this unbelievable impact that, that, that would make on the world. Or imagine that you learned how to connect other people together where they could make magic together and didn’t even need you by implementing what you had learned and shared with them, you know?

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Yeah, yeah. So. So, I mean, I don’t know if that this sort of ties into what I was going to say to you next, but why is community so essential to personal transformation? You know, wisdom often teaches that healing happens in connection with other people.

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Yeah. Well, I have found an example. So when I was in college, I, I, there was a gym there, Lun Gym. And they remodeled the gym one year when, so when I came back, the whole thing was done. There are tons of treadmills and elliptical trainers and a whole new weight room and all kinds of equipment. And so it attracted a lot more people. And there were a lot of pretty girls that would Come in and, you know, work out, ride the bikes. So I found myself suddenly more motivated to work out and go there. And I started going to the gym every day. And then I started, you know, getting really into it, and I got an incredible shape. And it was. A lot of it had to do with feeding off of the energy that was there, that were other people there. And somehow that brought out of me a really powerful desire to work really hard in the place because I. I would see people I knew, and it just felt like real community. So there’s, you know, that’s an example of that. I got into great shape because there was a community there. Now it’s like I have my own practices, but I don’t really have a place that I would call community for. To work out. I wish I did. I’d like that, actually.

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Is your community more on a. On a virtual level, or do you have. When I talk about your community, I mean your community in terms of what you do, your business, your website, your programs, and everything that you have. Is that more of a virtual at the moment?

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Like, it has the ability to do both. But what I learned working with this teacher from the Shipibo, because he. He led me through. It’s called a spiritual diet, where I worked at the plant called Morosa, one of the master plant teachers that are used by Shipibo. It’s all about the heart. And how I worked with the plant was the teacher actually planted the seed energetically in my field during an ayahuasca ceremony where I did sit with him. But then I worked with him all remotely, and I never actually physically took the plant when I. I did the diet. But I had one of the most incredible peak experiences of my life. Really, during that data. Yeah. One night I went for a walk, and I was just out in the evening. It was a gated community. I was in Mexico there, and. And I just felt this, like, warm sensation in the middle of my upper. Upper middle chest. So not in the heart, the high heart. I didn’t even know what the high heart was. I never even heard of it before. But suddenly I felt this warm sensation. And then this feeling like the petals on a flower all opening at the same time. And then this energy just started pouring out or through me. And it was so intoxicating that I started stumbling down the street. I was. It was just unconditional love for everything and everyone in my path there in the moment. And I would. I would look around, and everything I saw were like. I saw. I would just see these Blends of colors that would. Would move and shift where I would shift my eyes. But it would always turn into the most beautiful painting I’d ever seen. At all times.

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It sounds like psychedelics. I don’t know. You sure you didn’t take. No, I don’t.

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I’m sure. I was on nothing, nothing, nothing, which.

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I think is fantastic because I think everybody’s experienced that. I think it’s so great.

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It was all how I worked with the guy. He. We would talk every maybe two, three weeks, and he would. Then he would do a chant, an ikaro, like an energy healing chant that was based on where I was in the process of the diet at that time to clear whatever had been coming up. He would kind of wait until bigger blocks would come up, and then we would do the call. And then he would. I would. It was my responsibility to listen to the chant every day and then do like a grounding ritual afterwards. So I had this thing with a mapacho and I would smoke them aacho and then do like seven direction. Blow it in seven directions. And anyways, so that it was really eye opening. The power of receiving energy remotely. But also with this same teacher when I. When we had that ayahuasca ceremony, it was also very telling about the power of human. Human potential there. Because going back to your question about that, because I took that medicine and I sat with it all night now. And he was doing this chance to the group, you know, because it’s common in ayahuasca ceremonies for the shaman or the maestro, or the iowascaro, however you want to call them, to provide medicine music. So he was. He just didn’t work on me directly. And so I sat there the whole night, and I wasn’t really having a very good time. I mean, it was maybe my 18th time doing ayahuasca. And I was just kind of angry and not having a good night. And we’re. The whole night’s pretty much gone by now, all of a sudden. And I’d taken two servings with big ones. And we’re talking about extremely concentrated, strong batch. But it just wasn’t working for me. And right before sun up, the guy comes over to me and he sits in front of me and he says, okay, I’m gonna do a chant for you now. So I need you to sit up and, you know, do that. Breathe root to crown and keep. Keep doing that. So he did this chant, and I started experiencing something. Something opening a little. And I thought, okay, yeah, it’s better. And he finishes the chant. And he says, okay, now hold out your hand. So, and then he, he’s, he’s got my hands like, you know, facing me, like the way I have my hands facing me right now. And he blows on the fingers and I still feel about the same. So then he, he like, looks at him again and he zooms in on the energy and he’s, I hear him go. And then he leans in and very, very softly and gently blows in this one little spot. And was like a nuclear explosion. All my energy fields opened at the same time. And all, all of a sudden I was, I started laughing. It was like, it was like a cosmic joke. And I was hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting the energy in the place. And it was like, it was so. It was incredible. And it made me realize, like, hey, you can go sit with ayahuasca. Sure. But if you want to have a real experience, get a real ayahuascaro. Because that’s where the real magic is, is the human to human connection and delivering of a real focused message.

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Are you a medium? Do you consider yourself a medium?

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I don’t think so. I usually remain in control. So I receive sound and I let the sound move through, but I’m always conscious.

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So let me say this on that note. I consider myself a medium. I’ve been a large at many times in my life, but right about now I’m leaning more towards medium. So. Okay, that was a joke. You’re supposed to laugh. That’s all right. But here’s the thing, right? I am always in control because there’s a difference between when I channel for mediumship and when people do trance. I don’t do trance. I feel like trance, you’re kind of out of it and it comes in and it takes you over. Mediumship is very much what you’re describing to me. I smell, I taste, I see, I feel, I know. And, and when I’m doing a reading, it’s, it’s an amalgamation of all of these sorts of things. It’s like my, my, my chakras blew wide open. You know, my crown, my, my third eye just sort of blew wide open. And, and I just get it, it just comes to me. But I’m completely in control. Completely and totally in control and very much aware. I wouldn’t even say it’s like hypnosis. And, you know, I, I, I, I, I think that there may be something that if you explored, you may realize you’re getting more than you think you’re getting, because it doesn’t, at least for Me, it, it doesn’t look like I thought it was supposed to look like.

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Yeah, it never does. And I think that there’s always a new level of awareness to be discovered. I don’t think there’s really any end to the potential of what we can explore within ourselves.

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Sure.

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Different levels like and that match up with different visions and opening ourselves up and you know, being honest.

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Yeah. And I mean I think I could talk with you for another hour and unfortunately we’re coming near the end. But I want to give people an opportunity to find out more about you so that they can go and check out your website and check out what you do and your programs and so forth. So what would you like to share? You know, take some time for yourself to, to share what you’d like to let the people know?

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You mean just as far as like how they can get a hold of me and that sort of thing?

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Yeah. Or if there’s anything we haven’t talked about today that you think is like super important that you’d like to make sure that they take with them.

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So for me everything has been a journey of self expression and understanding how that actually connects me with other people. And part of it has been knowing myself but then also allowing myself to learn more about myself through my interacting with other people. And so what I like to do is to bring people together so that they can accelerate their learning. And so I work like my primary, my one on one work is, is a lot of it is about clearing blocks and bringing forward expression and then learning how to train it and practice it or sharing it and all different steps and movements of energy that are actually necessary for that. Because I don’t feel like a lot of people bring a holistic approach to sharing their energy. It’s, there’s a lot of really old scarcity energy that people use when they try to build a following or, or just even self actualize. And so I just take a very human centric way of doing it and I use sound, I stay curious and I welcome, you know, take a light hearted approach with humor and I allow people to the space to bring their own light forward, their own effervescence, what delights them.

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Right.

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That’s really wants to come out but it just need to get a little further.

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Yeah. And, and for people who may be wondering what you do, does that at all relate or compare to anything that you experienced when you were in Mexico?

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Yes and no. It’s, it’s been kind of a, a full circle integrative process of different things. I mean, I have my own unique way of how I share my expression, but there are influences there that helped me to unlock that and and so all of those influences in some way made an impression on me.

[00:44:00 – 00:45:15]
Great. Bjorn, thank you for joining me today on the show. I really appreciate it. And if today’s episode resonated with you and you want to learn more about Bjorn’s work, be sure to visit his website@blue dragon healing.net there you’ll find more about his transformational healing practices, his Primal Path program, and how you can connect with him for deeper exploration. And while you’re online, don’t forget to check out my [email protected] I’d love to meet you and help you along your journey towards enlightenment. Book a reading, attend one of my live events or grab a copy of my new book, in the Presence of Light, A Funeral Director’s Journey from Morning to Mediumship. And finally, I’ll be hosting A Mystical Journey at Sea on the carnival celebration from December 7th through 14th, 2025. We’re heading to the Eastern Caribbean and I’ll be sharing private readings and much more. Head on over to my website to learn more about that, and thank you for joining us on the Enlightened Life podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, please don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who might need this message today. Until next time, stay open, stay curious, and keep walking your path to an enlightened life. We’ll see you next time.