Tina, welcome to the enlightened life podcast. I’m grateful to have you here.

Thank you so much for having me. really look forward to this.

My pleasure. I’ve been looking forward to it as well. You describe yourself as the ghost helper for listeners new to this. What does that mean? And how’d you discover that?

I was like everybody else. I was just terrified of ghosts. My husband and I were stationed in Charleston, South Carolina, and the whole state is haunted. And we moved into a house that was 18 months old. And we had a very mischievous ghost. don’t know why. I thought if your house was new, it couldn’t possibly be haunted. But it was profoundly haunted. And so was my neighbor’s house.

Speaker 1 (02:33.676)
And so was my entire neighborhood. And so was the entire division.

It’s the land. It’s the land.

the predecessor energy of the land. And there’s an earthquake fault that, you know, fingers through that area near the Ashley River. And we’re in North Charleston. So we weren’t downtown by the waterfront, sort of out in the country, as you might imagine. And this ghost nearly drove us mad.

When you’re a naval officer, don’t go to work and say, my gosh, my house is haunted because you’re supposed to be so rooted in logic and science that those kinds of things can’t happen. I went to the Duke University School of Parapsychology and asked them for help. And they said, well, we have no idea how you cross over a ghost. We just study the phenomena. And I said, well, that’s not helpful for the living or the dead.

And so it took me a lot of years, a lot of years to figure out that one, can see and sense a ghost, but you know, so could anybody who was in my house, including my real estate agent, when we sold that house. And once I realized that I could actually help them to cross over that began to change everything. And then if you dehaunt a location,

Speaker 1 (04:04.43)
by helping the person who died, what a service. Because really weird journey here. A lot of times people don’t know they’re dead. That’s a weird thing. Maybe it’s a battlefield. And they think their bullets pierce them, but they don’t know they’re still fighting, whether it’s Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Civil War.

in.

Speaker 1 (04:32.344)
just, you know, mankind being unkind to each other. But once I figured out that that I could do it, then I realized, well, why is this a secret? Why do people secretly go find a medium? What if you could just make this a day to day easy practice that anyone could do because they plucked up their courage and they wanted to help somebody else? So

That’s how I got started because I had a really pesky ghost.

Well, and I’ll tell you, it’s funny. I just got home from North Charleston last week. I have family in North Charleston and I did an event in the historic district a couple of weeks ago. And so it was at a very haunted embassy suites hotel right in the historic district.

There was lot of crazy stuff. A woman told me, she said, you know, we have books flying off shelves and all kinds of things here. I hope that won’t bother you. And I’m like, it’s atmosphere. I mean, I kind of know, you know, but if, you know, I have crossed over people. So this is why this conversation is so fascinating to me. You teach that the living can and should help the dead. So what’s the first step someone should take if they believe they have a ghost?

It’s a very simple step. You kind of have to decide, do I have the courage to do this? And then you can use this. wrote a book called the Crossing Over Prayer Book. on my website, ghosthelpers.com, I have something called the Crossing Over Prayer, which is in this book. It’s in a lot of the books that I’ve written. And you just say the prayer three times.

Speaker 2 (06:06.904)
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (06:23.552)
And as you say this over and over and over, it’s as if the light from the energy of the words of the prayer, it’s a prayer. It’s a request to God to help this soul, no matter who they are, what they did in mortal life or how they died. It’s not our job to judge what or who this person was.

or the circumstances of their death. What a relief. So glad that’s not in my pay grade. But the prayer asks God to help across the soul, bringing in angels to escort them into the light. It’s beautiful. It’s simple. Anyone can do it. Even if you’re afraid, even if you think the ghost has terrible intent for you. And I have a story about that.

if that’s okay.

Absolutely.

I, before I wrote the Crossing Over Prayer book, I’d written so many, different prayers that were in my, the grief book that I wrote too. But I had a woman contact me from upper state New York. And this woman’s father was a convicted murderer who was executed by the state of New York for first degree murder. I think he murdered many people.

Speaker 1 (07:53.218)
how horrible to realize that your father is a serial killer. It’s really traumatic. But what made this infinitely worse is this woman had a little four-year-old daughter and her father was haunting her as a ghost, telling her psychically to murder her daughter day after day after day. And she caught one of my podcasts, which is why these are so important. And I’m so grateful to you for having me.

And she said, I listened to this and she said, I took a chance to contact you and can I do, know, can you, can you clear this? Can you cross my father over? And I said, sure. But can imagine how powerful it would be if you took your power back from him and you crossed him over, because the whole point of this prayer is that anyone can do this. You don’t have to have.

you know, an expensive medium to do it. And so I said, if it doesn’t work, you know, you can call me and you know, yes, I’ll help you. But I feel this would be an excellent opportunity for you to take your power back from someone who has, who has been a nightmare in your life. Let’s turn this super negative into something positive and beautiful. She said, all right, well, I’ll try, but I don’t know. You don’t know how bad he is. I said, no, I don’t.

but let’s don’t judge it, let’s help. So she says, she follows the direction, she says the prayer three times with authority in her voice. She’s not timid. She found that center of power in her heart and she said the prayer over and over and over. And she said it was the weirdest thing. She felt this shift. She couldn’t explain it, but she felt this shift. And then her little girl looks at her and says, mommy, the bad man is gone now.

meaning her daughter could hear him say that her mom should commit murder. And she didn’t need me. She didn’t need me, which made me feel that I did my job.

Speaker 2 (10:04.322)
Now are you a medium or are you not a medium?

yeah, I am a medium. I’ve got an uncountable number of dead.

Yeah, well, you know, it’s funny because I was going to ask you, how can someone who is not a medium know that what they did actually worked?

Well, having had a lot of people do this who are not mediums and they want to be able to cross over their child who died in the privacy of their own home. It’s very interesting when you cross over someone you loved. And I just feel that enabling someone else to do it causes them to touch into a part of them

that is much more intuitive than they may have given themselves credit for. And what I hear routinely is they don’t know how to describe it, but it’s as if they feel a shift. Something changes. It’s like the atmosphere gets lighter. It feels like the sun came out. They feel like their grief is not as great, which is another very interesting phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (11:21.784)
When you cross over someone who has died, your grief now takes a different path because you weren’t able to distinguish your grief from the grief of the person who died because the dead, how do you differentiate the energy of profound sadness? Once you cross them over, you’re actually alone with your own thoughts and your grief is less because

In an ironic twist, you have power in the situation because you know where they are. You cross them into the heaven world. There’s no question.

Yeah, yeah. You know, I remember this was early on when I was opening up to mediumship, but there was this one spirit that was with me all the time. It was so much so that I knew his name, I knew everything. And when I reached a medium and said, you know, I’ve got the spirit after me, I don’t know what to do. And we crossed him over.

For me, there was a shift, but it was a sense of, I felt emotional, I felt love. It was like you came close to the door. Do you know what I mean? was like you so close that you feel that love. And it was weird because it was love, not necessarily love for someone that had frightened me, but it was just this connection to this universal love for us that was amazing.

But then there was this sense of grief and that’s what took me by surprise. It was this loss, like, my God, this person, this spirit, this person who was with me is no longer with me because they did, they crossed into the light and they’re gone. And so there was that momentary, like, of loss as well, which was a very strange thing. And then it just got calm after that, there was a shift.

Speaker 2 (13:18.786)
Yeah, it’s a very, very strange and profound experience. And I wonder, know, those who are not sensitive, if they would get that from it. Do you know what I If they would understand the feelings of love or the feeling of loss or whatever feeling, you know, you might experience as you’re going through this.

I had an individual whose life didn’t work. Nothing he did work. And I met his wife at a coffee shop. And she was describing, know, finances are terrible and he can’t seem to work. And he’s a good man, but these are problems. And I said, well, I’m going to ask you a weird question. Is he alone in his body? And she said, what? I said, is he alone in his body? And she said,

How weird you would ask that could be psychic. She said he never feels alone. I said, well, was he a twin or was there a miscarriage before he was born? And there was, he had a twin, but the twin died. you know, before he, you know, he was born, but the twin died. And so I handed her a crossing over prayer card and these people

can order these cards on ghosthelpers.com. doesn’t show very well. It’s weird because it has directions for the living and the dead on the card. So she took a card home and she and her husband sat down in a quiet place and they read the crossing over prayer repeatedly. He’s not psychic. She doesn’t consider herself psychic or medium or anything. They’re just people who are suffering and they’re looking for answers

but they don’t know who to ask. They don’t even know the question to ask. So they just said this prayer. Prayer is a conversation with God on an intimate level. And they felt this thing leave him. He felt this thing leave his body. And they saw this filmy thing, and then they saw this light. And she said her husband hasn’t been the same since.

Speaker 1 (15:35.37)
He laughs and he talks and he said, I had somebody with me from the time I was born. I was never alone in my body. I’ve heard this story repeatedly. I’ve heard this over and over and over again. When they cross over the person who died, especially if they were a twin or a miscarriage.

They’re finally alone and it’s like the light comes out for them. And these people would never tell you that they were psychic.

Well, it’s an interesting thing that you say that because I was a twin and the twin died and there was a medium. I am convinced and it’s in my book. I’m convinced that this spirit whose name was David that was with me basically trying to get me to open up was that twin, but I had a medium pick up on that and I never knew it.

She said, who’s the D name, who’s David? She said I was a twin and I said, no, no, no, no, no. And then I went to my mother and I asked her and she says, yeah, I’m pretty sure you were. I’m like, why am I finding this out now? Because it wasn’t something we talked about back then. We were talking about the 60s. So it’s odd that you say this. And I do believe that that spirit that we crossed that day was the twin.

And I feel like that’s why I felt that grief. I didn’t know it at the time, but you know, looking back at it, I think that’s why I felt that sense of loss as well, and that sense of love.

Speaker 1 (17:12.814)
That would make a lot of sense. I had a woman who had children in the 60s, and they wouldn’t tell her that she had twin girls and one of the girls died. And so I’m working with her as a private client, and I said, I think you had twins. She said, There was a problem, but I only had one child. And I said,

I’m telling you, I’m getting the same thing your medium said. I think there’s a twin. So I said, you know what? I bet your daughter knows that there was a twin. So she contacts her daughter and her daughter says, of course there was a twin. My twin never leaves me. She’s with me all the time. It’s same thing. This woman, but this one knew she had a twin and she was in the business world. So she would never consider herself psychic. Not that people in the business world can’t be, but it wasn’t

Hmm.

Speaker 1 (18:09.662)
on her mind. So I suggested that they do a beautiful ceremony, bring flowers and go to the beach because we were in San Diego. You know, go to the beach and say these prayers and ask, you know, you’re asking God to take this soul. And they both were started just sobbing as they were

They went through the process. went through this beautiful, deeply spiritual ceremony that they designed themselves. I didn’t design this for them. I just offered a prayer. Then she said, I’m free now. I’m alone in my body. I’m free and my twin is free. And that sense of joy for both of them was tremendous.

Yeah, it’s amazing, I believe that. Do you ever deal though, mean, do ever have people reach out to you with mental illness and they think that they’re either having hauntings or whatever it is, because I get a lot of that as well and my sense is that it’s something going on in the brain, not something going on in the house. Have you had to deal with that?

I have, I had a case recently that has caused me to rethink, you know, think additionally about some things. I mean, I’m a big fan of Brian Weiss, many lives, many masters, and things that happen in past lives can shave off parts of the soul based on the levels of trauma.

When you cross the soul over, the soul receives that restoration energy that the higher realms provide. As it is described in the 23rd Psalm, he restores my soul. in this case, it’s so bizarre, I just have to share it. I have long been an advocate that you do not need Ouija board, you do not need tarot cards or angel cards or runes.

Speaker 1 (20:24.502)
You need your divine connection and that’s it. And if you’re a really good medium, you don’t need those tools. So I’m working with this client and I go through this, you know, a checklist protocol. Do you have any of these tools? No, no, no. But you know, my mother’s always had a Ouija board. Really? And she said, yeah, it was really bad. Okay. Well, where is it? And have you destroyed it?

My mother has it, I’ll ask her if I can destroy it. So her mother said, I’m so glad to get rid of it. So they destroyed the Ouija board. And we did a lot of other things that I have in some of my books. But that one action began to shift the energetic relationship among every family member. I mean, I’ve been watching this unfold over the last three weeks. And

You know, the mother is in a different place. The daughters, you know, who one of the daughters who had a problem is now feeling like she can focus, she can work. So what if sometimes the mental illness is all it’s past life? It could be childhood experiences. It could be a lot of things. But what if it is also that there could be an element of black magic that has been

haunting the family and each person reacts differently. And we’re beginning to see the dynamic here, which has been pretty astounding to watch this.

Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. You would mention too that some ghosts actually share with you why they haven’t crossed. What’s, what are some of the surprising ones?

Speaker 1 (22:20.45)
I cleared a house in Virginia Beach. lady had a pretty little cottage. She was like a condo at the beach. And she knew she had a ghost and the ghost wasn’t mean or anything. And long story, I mean, I’m in California. So how people are connecting me with me in parts of the world is kind of a thing. So she connects and I remote viewed her house and

She had a woman who’s dressed in bloody, muddy Civil War era, know, 1860s clothing. And I said, she said, my God, what took you so long? I said, I’m sorry, I didn’t know you were expecting me. And she said, well, I have been expecting you. I can’t deal with this by myself.

You know how you kind of look around and go, am I really having this conversation? But okay. And I said, what can’t you deal with? And she said, look, I know I’m dead. See all these little red bullet holes? I got shot. But these 200 Civil War soldiers, these clueless guys think that I’m just going to give them, know, bandage them up because I’m a Civil War nurse and send them back out into the battle. They don’t have a clue that they’re dead.

And I can’t cross over until I can take them with me.

Hmm.

Speaker 1 (23:53.142)
I said, OK. Her name was Helen Stanton. I’ll never forget this ghost. So I crossed over the Civil War dead, who were so surprised. It’s like, I’m dead? Are you sure? yeah. Look at all that red. So it was a very weird situation. was in Yorktown, Virginia, crossed over

I was at a cemetery in Yorktown, Virginia, and there were all of these women who were at the cemetery. And I thought I would see Civil War dead and Revolutionary War dead, because at the cemetery in Yorktown, Virginia, you have graves from both of those wars. And I’m looking at this scenario, and there are all these women in

in clothing represented representing their economic status in 1865. Because that was the year that one by one they each died. And I said, Why are you all in this, in this graveyard? And they said, Well, we came looking for our loved ones. They were, they were union, you know, wives and girlfriends and daughters, and they were Confederate, you know, wives and girlfriends and daughters. But in

In death, it doesn’t matter. And they all knew they died. They died of scarlet fever. They died of pneumonia. They knew all the methods of their own death. And they couldn’t find, they thought if when they died, they could go find their fiance, their husband, their child who left. And they said, why aren’t they here? And I said, because they may not know they’re dead. They’re still on the battleground.

but let’s get you crossed over and the higher realms will be able to assist you more than I can possibly do here. But let’s, let’s do that. But in, in, detailed that in, I wrote a book, ghost stories from the ghost point of view. And that story details each woman told her story about that person that she was looking for. And it was, it was hard to hear that these, these men never came back and they wrote the war department. Some of them.

Speaker 1 (26:19.494)
And of course, after Lincoln died, everything was just chaos. But anyway, they knew they were dead, but they were looking for the men who didn’t come home. And even in death, they were still looking and waiting.

Dad.

That’s it.

Do you mind if I share something with you? I was in Scotland a few I was in Scotland a few years ago and there’s a cemetery called the Greyfriars Bobby and in the Greyfriars there is a chapel and I went in with another woman that I know who She doesn’t she’s not a medium, but she does somehow she’s able to do some automatic writing and I picked up on the spirit of a man in the chapel and I went that direction

And he told me that he didn’t deserve to cross because he was a peasant, but he missed his wife and he missed his son who had crossed into the light. So he knew he was dead. He knew his family was gone, but he didn’t feel like he had the right to go because he was a peasant and we talked him through it. And after he crossed,

Speaker 2 (27:37.1)
It was the funniest thing. There was someone playing the organ and the organ music was going and people around us were watching us and you could see that they were starting to cry. As he went through the light, the emotion was palpable, the organ stopped, the lights went off and they told us they were closing for the day and it was just at that moment that he crossed through and went into his, you know, to see his family. It’s amazing what keeps people here.

It isn’t that he was stuck in this. mean, he was stuck, but it isn’t that he was stuck because he didn’t know he was dead. He wasn’t stuck because it was an accident. He started, he was stuck because he didn’t think he deserved it.

I have heard this a thousand times. I crossed over a client come and say, you know, my mother-in-law died and she just won’t cross over. I mean, we all know she’s here. And I said, well, let’s, let’s see what we can do. And I talked to her and she said, well, I was born in sin and died in sin. You know, Jesus can’t love me, which was completely anathema to the teachings of Christ, the teachings of Christ.

our love and embrace and hope. I mean, when you really study the teachings of Christ, it’s only about love, the teachings of Buddha and all of the great ones, it’s only about the love, which is the ultimate answer. So I said, know,

Not that I get, I’m not judging you in any way. I’m just saying that it’s not for me to judge. When you walk into that light, you’re going to meet people who love you. It’s not about judgment, it’s about love. Not about sin.

Speaker 1 (29:33.844)
And.

Speaker 1 (29:40.696)
So.

Once she was crossed over, the whole family felt better. It was amazing.

It really is incredible. You’ve written nine books and built a community around ghost helpers. What is the most rewarding or surprising response you’ve received from someone who used your methods?

Speaker 1 (30:08.6)
that they are at peace. They’re not guilty. That they understand and they are now themselves closer to God. There is probably no more rewarding statement than that. And that statement came from a client in North Dakota.

whose 17 year old son took his own life. And she wanted me to cross him over. And again, I said, I want you to try the compassion prayer for suicide. And I’d like you to do this. It’s the last act as his parent. And she said, it will be hard. And I said, yes, but it’s gonna be the most meaningful thing you ever do. So she did that. Excuse me.

And it changed her. It shifted her feelings of grief on such a profound level that about a year later, she, as I was writing the Crossing Over Prayer book, she wrote me back and she said, can you write a prayer that I can say for my son every night? And she said, I now talk to the parents whose children took their own lives and I tell them about the Crossing Over Prayer, but I loved my son.

And I still want to have a prayer that’s really not so much just for him, but a prayer any parent can say to continue to help my son in a, a karmically correct way by sending this prayer to him in, in while he is in the light. And I did that. It’s the prayer for say, or anyone to say after their loved one has crossed over.

if the method of death was suicide.

Speaker 2 (32:08.728)
Beautiful. So before we close, is there any final story lesson or message you’d like to share with our listeners?

It’s simply this, when you find the courage and the spiritual backbone to face that someone died and they might need help crossing over because they don’t understand what happened to them, and you say the crossing over prayer or the prayer for suicide or there’s a prayer for a child who has died, you do this and you help that soul.

This is the compassion you will want for yourself. This is an opportunity to connect to the light, to God, to Christ, to all of the great ones who have shown us the way through love and compassion. And it changes the sender and it changes the receiver. And that is one of the most powerful things about prayer that anyone can appreciate and accept.

And Scott, I wanna thank you with all my heart for giving me an opportunity to share this information for anyone who can use it.

Well, thank you and thanks for sharing your perspective and these tools for helping both the living and the dead. And for our listeners, if you’d like to learn more about Tina, her books or the crossing over prayer, visit ghosthelpers.com. You’ll find resources, guidance and ways to explore Tina’s work further. And as always, you can find me at mediumscottallen.com. You can book a reading, check out upcoming live events.

Speaker 2 (33:52.354)
Buy my book or listens to more episodes of the enlightened life podcast wherever you get your podcast. So thank you for joining us and remember helping the dead also helps the living. Thanks for joining us and we’ll see you next time.